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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: BlueSky on November 11, 2013, 08:04:41 PM

 



Title: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: BlueSky on November 11, 2013, 08:04:41 PM
Please someone on the covenant and when it expires


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Ratty on November 12, 2013, 09:27:25 AM
As I understand it there are a number of Restrictive Covenants that have either been waived or ceded to Caring Homes as part of an agreement with the Boyle Farm Estate. There is now a question as to whether HC have breached the terms of that agreement and therefore should not benefit from them being relaxed.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Highways Contact on November 12, 2013, 12:33:47 PM
For those of you who are interested and I'm not a property lawyer! Covenants as such don't normally expire. They are available from Land Registry. The current HoC covenants were updated in Sep 2008. Relevant sections:

That successors in title will not use the Property... for any purpose other than:

as a private dwelling house; or

as a care home or nursing home (including dementia) for the elderly (including ancillary staff residential accommodation) run either on a commercial or non-profit basis.

Hope this helps.






Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Deborah on November 12, 2013, 01:28:21 PM
You can get indemnity insurance for breach of covenants as long as the covenant wasn't recently imposed. Does anyone know when it was imposed?


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Dictun Mearc on November 12, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
You can't get insurance for something that you know to be being actively enforced, as these covenants are (by the Boyle Farm Estate).


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Thames Dittonite on November 12, 2013, 03:04:22 PM
So do all residents of Boyle Farm have the benefit of the covenants?
I just wished that whoever has the benefit of them would release them so that teh site coudl either be developed into flats.  It seems that the only way to make the building viable as a nursing is to corrupt it with some kind of Barrett Homes style extension.
It is such a magificent building it should either be renovated as it stands (anyone seen the Princess Square development on Claremont Lane in Esher as a benchmark) or honoured with stunning contemporary extension.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: BlueSky on November 12, 2013, 09:12:37 PM
Ratty - if the covenant is breached I.e. Caring are not actually using the building as a Care home, surely the resident of bf should benefit? Are you


Can bf widen the covenant to retirement maybe, if I was them I would prefer to have some nice apartments a hotel?


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Dittonian on November 13, 2013, 11:38:34 AM
I think that the only party that can vary the covenants is the Boyle Farm Estate.  In the private negotiations in 2007 to 2008 that resulted in BFE agreeing to vary the covenant to allow a commercial care home, Caring Homes agreed to make over to Boyle Farm Estate a strip of land to the Thames and build a slipway for the private use of Boyle Farm Estate residents only.  They delivered on that promise, the slipway was soon built.  I wonder whether the Boyle Farm Estate is now tied to Caring Homes by that package agreement in any way?


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: peter on November 13, 2013, 12:56:11 PM
It's a shame that the covenant can't be relaxed to allow for a boutique hotel.  This would be a benefit to the whole village, especially if it had a restaurant, afternoon teas on the lawn etc.  Ooh - and a river boat service for guests and residents calling to Hampton Court or Kingston.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: tdres on November 13, 2013, 01:38:45 PM
There are very differing views on that - it has been discussed a lot on previous threads.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 13, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
I'd operate a riverboat service to HC on weekends if enough people were interested


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Dictun Mearc on November 13, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: craigvmax on November 13, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
I'd operate a riverboat service to HC on weekends if enough people were interested


Hmm.... I'd be more interested in a riverboat service to Kingston for my weekly shop!


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: BlueSky on November 13, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
I would also pay for a taxi service to Kingston and also across to Home Park for either a walk or play golf. There are many possibilities and its a good asset that we don't have on this side.

Craig - how much will it cost and can it be done via email/phone for to agree meetings times or will it be timetabled.

Upto Kingston I would pay £5 or maybe £7 for a return ticket. Happy to walk or bike back but not both ways.

Across to the island, maybe £2 or £3 for the return.

I would use both winter and summer aswell. Would you use the jetty at the swan or the beach. There's apparently another jetty going in at the beach


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: BlueSky on November 13, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
ps. I meant to home park not the island.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 14, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
will run some numbers on it, I tried to do it once before but was impossible to find staff to do it but I have someone in mind now.

Would probably be from the slipway.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Thames Dittonite on November 14, 2013, 09:56:17 AM
Would be great to be able to get to Home Park to walk the dog without having to walk down to Hampton Court Way but whether there would be enough demand to make it viable is another thing.......


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Highways Contact on November 14, 2013, 10:11:11 AM
What we need is bridge over the Ember!


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 14, 2013, 10:19:22 AM
agreed


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: BlueSky on November 14, 2013, 10:35:54 AM
A bridge also would be great, maybe a s106 payment from the large scale dev. due to happen hospital, Taggs, home of compassion.

Craig - suggest you start a different page for boat service, there is a market. Personally I would let a student do it, maybe an old retired local sea dog, a student could help with ropes etc


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 14, 2013, 10:46:21 AM
thats exactly the sort of person I wanted


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: peter on November 14, 2013, 11:48:10 AM
What would be perfect would be a bridge over the Ember and a bridge over the Thames - imagine being able to walk or cycle from the Swan to Home Park or HC Palace.  The Swan would no doubt get a load more customers from the other side too as would many other shops.  In the meantime though or in addition, a Thames Ditton boat service would be fantastic. 


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Juninho on November 14, 2013, 12:40:08 PM
Aye!

I thought of this once (funnily enough whilst sitting at the Swan and watching island residents cross to their abode!).

http://residents-association.com/forum/index.php?topic=194.0

Quote from: peter on November 14, 2013, 11:48:10 AM
What would be perfect would be a bridge over the Ember and a bridge over the Thames - imagine being able to walk or cycle from the Swan to Home Park or HC Palace.  The Swan would no doubt get a load more customers from the other side too as would many other shops.  In the meantime though or in addition, a Thames Ditton boat service would be fantastic. 


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Juninho on November 14, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
or the Thames!!

http://residents-association.com/forum/index.php?topic=194.0
Quote from: Highways Contact on November 14, 2013, 10:11:11 AM
What we need is bridge over the Ember!


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 14, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
I did some investigations into the cost of a small footbridge but it was incredibly expensive. To take a bridge from anywhere right across the Thames to Home Park much moreso. Walton Bridge cost circa £30m from memory albeit thats for cars too.  Agree would be nice though.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: peter on November 14, 2013, 02:02:47 PM
There are however other Thames bridges getting approval or under consideration so it must be possible....

http://www.dezeen.com/2013/11/04/new-images-heatherwicks-garden-bridge-across-the-thames/[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-24571664[/url]
[url]http://londonist.com/2013/03/new-bridge-could-link-nine-elms-and-pimlico.php



Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: Juninho on November 14, 2013, 02:13:59 PM
Yeah and apparantly our council is flush with cash (depending on whom you believe!)!

Sorry massive thread drift but then again the original topic of this thread has been discussed before so maybe its not too bad.


Title: Re: Home of Compassion - Covenant
Post by: craigvmax on November 14, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Interesting reading Peter, thanks for posting. If we can find 20-150m through grants etc etc then agree, it could be very nice.



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