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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: roadrunner on July 17, 2014, 03:03:07 PM

 



Title: new surface on station road
Post by: roadrunner on July 17, 2014, 03:03:07 PM
I spoke to the roadworks Foreman today, doing the tarmac and has suggested any minor adjustments to humps or yellow lines should be discussed with scc by next Wednesday as that's when he is laying the bumps the yellow lines.

He has told me bumps are a waste of time and he prefer not to do them at all. The drawings he showed me, were of high st. Horley - so he was a litlle clueless. His work seems okay to date though.

Be good to see some slight changes - are there any to be done, Mr Hickman / other station roaders.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Emberman on July 17, 2014, 10:39:44 PM
This is surely the golden opportunity to remove the humps.   
They do not increase safety (many vehicles ignore them by speeding over them or swerving - even more dangerous). 
They cause expensive damage to residents' cars suspension and tracking geometry etc.
They are expensive to maintain - most road damage is associated with the humps.   

Flashing speed signs are much more effective.

To repair the humps is simply to throw good money after bad.

Please could Peter Hickman help, before next Wednesday?


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: peter on July 18, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: Emberman on July 17, 2014, 10:39:44 PM
This is surely the golden opportunity to remove the humps.   
They do not increase safety (many vehicles ignore them by speeding over them or swerving - even more dangerous). 
They cause expensive damage to residents' cars suspension and tracking geometry etc.
They are expensive to maintain - most road damage is associated with the humps.   

Flashing speed signs are much more effective.

To repair the humps is simply to throw good money after bad.

Please could Peter Hickman help, before next Wednesday?

Agreed - would prefer no humps - or much less humps and other measures to slow the traffic - the current humps just cause damage to cars and does not slow traffic anyway - they are also expensive to maintain. 


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Dictun Mearc on July 18, 2014, 11:01:43 AM
Given that public consultation is needed before the adoption of any parking restrictions, or traffic calming measures, I imagine the same would be required if they were to be removed.

Additionally, a 20mph limit can only be adopted where suitable traffic calming measures have been installed, or where it can be demonstrated that average speeds are already below 20mph.

Unless you'd like the 20mph limit to go, and for there to be no consultation on the removal of the humps (there are plenty of people in the village who would like them to stay),  I'm afraid there is no alternative but for them to be re-instated.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: roadrunner on July 18, 2014, 12:10:27 PM
No - lm more talking about design, the bumps are way too high, dampage my exhaust etc

A quiet word with the roaders will have amazing effects, l feel - they are happy to length en yellow lines or reduce bumps. You just need to say you have spoken to scc beforehand.



Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Dictun Mearc on July 18, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
If they were to 'lengthen yellow lines', those yellow lines would cease to be enforceable, as they would no longer comply with the Traffic Regulation Order that enabled them in the first place.

Similarly, the bumps will have certain specifications to ensure that they comply with applicable laws.  Their dimensions possibly could be changed, but to do it legally would take a lot more than just a word in the ear of the road workers.  The road workers will be working according to a contract agreed with SCC.  Such a contract could not be changed without going through full legal process.  These things involve consultation, committees, and time.  It's just not going to happen.  SCC will send someone down once the work is complete to sign it off.  If it doesn't match with what the contract says, they will ensure that remedial works will be done to make sure it does. 



Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: craigvmax on July 18, 2014, 02:16:11 PM
Roadrunner, how low is your exhaust? When we run our supercar driving courses our instructors always ensure that the cars approach any speedhumps on as extreme an angle as is safely possible, this does help. Worth a try. Also when Humps in both lanes and not across the entire road, try not to straddle them, put one wheel directly over and tray to vary which wheel you use.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Emberman on July 18, 2014, 08:19:37 PM
Flashing 20mph speed signs would be more effective than the humps as a safety measure - and would not damage suspension and be considerably less expensive to maintain as well.  I doubt anyone likes the humps themselves - there must be a more effective way to maintain safety and reduce speeding.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: roadrunner on July 18, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
Emberman - that would be perfect.

I'm happy to support any applicaton or discussion with Surrey cc.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Emberman on July 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
I can't see any compelling reasons to retain the humps.  They don't slow traffic effectively (vehicles speed over them and often swerve to avoid them). 

The humps cause expensive damage to residents' cars (who must drive over numerous humps each time they make a journey to or from their home).  They are expensive to maintain, and have caused potholes on their edges - causing yet more expensive damage to cars.

Common sense suggests flashing speed signs are the up to date, safe and cost-effective option.  Hopefully Peter Hickman will support residents in requesting the humps are removed and replaced with speed signs.  Have residents ever been balloted, to establish the majority view on the humps ?


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: roadrunner on July 20, 2014, 08:19:07 PM
You will have to actually ask the guy, fairly soon - new bumps due to go down on wednesday


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Keith on August 20, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
Well, I must say that the new surfaces on Station Road and the High Street are good, good enough for skateboarding even, and the bumps, now regular in size and form, are much improved.  Well done Cllr. Hickman for badgering SCC for so long to get a result.

Now for the pavements along Ashley Road and CW......


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: tdres on August 20, 2014, 11:57:18 AM
I agree - they are great.

But what about the part of the High Street from Picton House down to the Swan???
Can't see that on any of the plans.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Cuboid on August 20, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
It is an improvement no question and one we are all grateful for but there is still a problem with pooling water where station road meets Basingfield Road - the fall into the drain seems to have been poorly designed.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: peter on August 20, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Yes - it's a massive improvement - make such a difference to driving through the village.  Excellent job for those involved in getting this done.

Agree with the points above - would be good to next tackle pavements on Ashley Road/CW, the road from Picton House down to the Swan and once the building works have all finished, Weston Green Road from the station to Hampton Court Way - or at least get the holes filled in.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Admin on August 20, 2014, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: Cuboid on August 20, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
It is an improvement no question and one we are all grateful for but there is still a problem with pooling water where station road meets Basingfield Road - the fall into the drain seems to have been poorly designed.


"Basing Lake" is a problem that goes way back - like  fifty years (see old editions of TD Today.  A few years ago it seemed that the drains which I believe go from there under the railway bridge had collapsed.  I was optimistic when a few days before the recent road works Surrey Highways woke up and ordered work to clear the drain - (I suspect that the ever-practical Cllr Peter H prodded them).  But if all they did was to suck the muck out yet again, then I'm thinking that the fundamental problem hasn't been addressed.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: mark.hawkins on August 20, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
Would be nice if they used the spare tarmac to create humps to fill in pot holes on the other poor roads instead. Chestnut Ave, Weston Green Road and Lime Tree Avenue are dangerous and a disgrace.


Title: Re: new surface on station road
Post by: Ratty on August 23, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
Hopefully Caring Homes will pay for the damage to the fountain roundabout caused by the constant stream of cement lorries bumping over it.


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